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Several times during the last few years, men's issues discussion has included analysis and criticism of events in which there was feminist involvement;

• Feminist responses to MHRA postering, 
• Donglegate (http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/donglegate-vs-vaginagate/, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jhGRuSvWOc,) 
• the feminist protest of Canadian Association For Equality hosted events (http://22to28.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/247/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVuK44kWgxk,)  
• Doxxing Violentacrez (for being disliked by feminists), 
• Anita Sarkeesian's damseling incident (in which she falsely accused MRAs of threatening her) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4lJLJwfLo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6408gG6Ys&feature=youtu.be, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25o0EZiogw0, http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html.)

In each instance, instead of dealing with the reality of overt behavior on behalf of their movement, internet feminists have used the deflection, dodging, and denial approach I've previously described. Among the arguments used in that approach:

• Active, world-effecting feminists don't represent what feminism means to the world (a staple in their repertoire).
• That feminists pushed for something doesn't mean feminists are responsible for it happening.
• That a response or claim is based on widely-articulated and cited feminist ideology or claims doesn't link the response or claim to feminism.
• That feminists spoke out in support of an individual's actions doesn't link those actions to feminism. 

In each case, internet feminists have essentially argued that no matter what other indicators exist making a connection between a behavior or event, and feminism or any specific feminist group, unless there is an undeniable, in-your-face smoking gun, it's unreasonable to discuss those connections and draw any conclusions which would consider those connections valid.

Imagine my surprise... okay, so I wasn't surprised, just delighted at the ability to cite yet another display of feminist hypocrisy... when reddit feminists used exactly the same processes they have previously criticized when they wanted to support the claim "Men's Rights Activists flooded Occidental university with false rape reports!"

Now, for the record, here's where I have to admit to trolling a reddit feminist or two (and I'd apologize to them, but you know, they really asked for it) in order to get better evidence of that hypocrisy.

It didn't start out that way. I came in to that situation after the fact, not knowing whether or not there had even been any MRAs who filled out forms. Reading the accusation, the feminist response to it appeared to me to be completely hysterical. After all, they have spent the last few years arguing that false accusations are no big deal, even when they have real, life-wrecking consequences. They've specifically argued that wrongful use of the form in question would cause no damage at all, despite the stigma of being labeled a sex offender without the recourse of any kind of hearing for the accused. The equivalent would be in arguing the right to tattoo the word "rapist" on someone any time you like, because after all, that isn't same as imprisonment.
Therefore, it's not an abuse of the individual's rights.

If those really are their beliefs, it should not have bothered them if there had been over 9000 prank accusations filed... unless, of course, what is not damaging when women supported by feminists do it becomes a holy freakin' super-destructive force when those Magic Patriarchy Powers™ come into play.

As I looked into the existing discussions, I realized that once again, these feminists were using the molehill + feminist objection = mountain formula for justifying their own articulated outrage. Though the loophole-demonstration approach isn't something I'd have come up with, I don't actually see a problem with it, especially not one which justifies the mouth-frothing feminist response to this incident. Those involved, an unknown, untraceable mix of 4chan users and /r/mensrights subscribers, are not subjecting anyone to anything feminists don't support subjecting men to at random. They're simply demonstrating a serious flaw in the system set up by Occidental; that the anonymity factor and internet-wide availability of their sexual misconduct report form makes it easy to abuse, and abuse of it hard to quell or counter. The smartest approach Occidental could make to this display is to address that flaw, and take steps to improve their reporting system so that actual victims can report misconduct, but their students won't be vulnerable to the same attacks which were perpetrated against the poor Kool-Aid man and various incarnations of Mr. Jimmy Russel this week.

Within my set of comments, I asked for proof of the following:

• That the behavior (Prank use of Occidental's anonymous reporting form) was widespread among MRAs,
• That following their brigading of the sub, reddit feminists didn't manipulate voting
• That anything about the incident (either the demonstrable involvement in the behavior, or the vote pattern on comments and on the original post) demonstrated a unified sub-wide attitude about the behavior.

These weren't complicated questions, and though as I said, I have no doubt that there was involvement by MRAs, these questions weren't outside the standard of reason set by past reddit feminist responses to other discussion of feminist behavior and attitudes. They were based on the reality that an accusation can't be reasonably considered proved if there is not physical evidence, if there's reasonable suspicion of contributing factors not taken into account, and/or if there's not a direct, traceable and unbroken link between presented evidence and the conclusion offered.

The commenters replying to me failed to deliver on all 3 counts.

The show of hypocrisy by reddit's /r/againstmensrights feminists in response to my questions about this incident was priceless. On pushing the feminist trolls on /r/mensrights for more evidence, and then looking through the screenshots and links I was given, I learned the following:

• A small few /r/mensrights accounts (less than 0.00002% of the sub's overall population) had posted comments claiming to have filled out the forms.
• A very slightly larger number of /r/mensrights accounts had posted comments discussing the idea, with some encouraging it. Some of these were long-term, prominent members. 
• There was controversy among regulars in the sub over whether or not the idea was a good idea.
• Evidence for the claim that MRAs "flooded" Occidental with reports included an official from Occidental stating that reports "contained language similar to that used by members of 4chan and reddit's /r/mensrights." No concrete evidence was presented showing that more reports than were claimed by MRAs came from MRAs, nor was any concrete evidence presented that the official in question had any familiarity with either 4chan or /r/mensrights. 
• Based on the combined populations from which the reports are said to have come, there was no flood, but a mere 400 reports... a fraction of either individual population, and a pittance when considering their overall numbers. 
• There was no smoking gun here, but /r/againstmensrights thinks that a minority of comments and claims based on circumstantial evidence constitutes one when it's their accusation they're trying to prove. 

Now, let me repeat that I do believe there were men's rights activists involved in the effort to highlight this huge flaw in Occidental's approach to handling sexual misconduct. From the moment I saw the first list (to which I replied with my initial 0.00002% comment) I knew there were prominent, respected (including by me) MRAs involved, and I have no problem whatsoever with their actions. This article is not a denial of that; it's about the hysterical feminist response to the incident. 

Feminists - the same group which uses the deflect, dodge, and deny approach to discussion about feminist and feminist-led behavior, which responds to evidence of damage done by their movement with NAFALT, and actions taken in their name with "nothing but a smoking gun is evidence" - responded to my trollish barrage of requests for more and more evidence by offering me two things: More circumstantial evidence, and a healthy dose of vitriol. How dare I demand proof when I knew there was none? That they were so sure of their findings should be enough to convince me! Was I nuts? How could I be so unreasonable as to put forth the same requirements and stipulations they've made in the past in response to discussion of feminist behaviors? Don't I realize that when the suspects are MRAs, appearance = guilt?

The realization that those responding to me were so shocked when I presented in mock seriousness the same responses I've seen feminists present in actual seriousness made it a little hard to keep up the charade. I think I blew it in the end by pushing too hard, because they gave up and quit responding...

...but not before they cemented their display of hypocrisy by falling back on oft-used NAFALT-based projection, once again demanding that I ignore the difference between things feminists just don't like, and things that have a demonstrably discriminatory or oppressive impact on men both individually and as a group.

Reddit Feminists admit everything

The main response of feminists on the internet to any criticism of the movement is deflection, dodging, and denial. To understand this, you only have to look back at internet feminists' responses to information presented to them about their movement, and about internet feminists' actions during the last few years.

One example of the deflection response is to dismiss men's issues by combining blame for them on a conspiratorial concept they've labeled "Patriarchy" with the treatment of all men everywhere as a single unit instead of individuals with individual experiences and effects on the world. The gist of this argument is "men's problems are caused by men having power and control in society. One man's power is all men's power. Therefore, your issues are your fault, while women's issues are also your fault. That makes women's issues more important, and means that men aren't qualified to seek and apply solutions to men's issues. You should back off and let feminists have control. Our efforts to empower women will solve all of the issues related to discrimination in the world, and if they don't, you probably deserve to be discriminated against, anyway."


However, an accurate look at the history of the issues and the feminist response to them often reveals that feminist activism and feminist ideological assertions have been either causative or exacerbating factors leading or contributing to discriminatory conditions faced by men.

One example which stands out is the unequal legal handling of child custody and division of property following divorce. It was feminist activism which led to the widespread adoption of the belief that mothers should be primarily awarded child custody. Prior to their involvement, it was standard procedure that custody of children in divorce would remain with fathers, who did not receive any financial support from their ex-wives. Following the change, women given custody of their children were awarded support on the basis of their lower earning capacity. However, as women's earning capacity has increased, the expectation that an ex-husband will continue to fund his ex-wife's custody of their children following their divorce has not decreased in proportion to it.

When estranged fathers denied contact with their children and kept in poverty by exorbitant and often arbitrarily imposed support obligations (and therefore unable to fight the willful alienation imposed by their exes) began lobbying for equal custodial rights, feminist organizations opposed that effort by demonizing all fathers as abusers and deadbeats, and denying the behavior of mothers whose denial of parental contact and abuse of the system led to the effort. Further, feminist groups have not only supported the continuation of the use of outdated reasoning for the imposition of support obligation on divorcing husbands and fathers, they've fought to impose stricter legal handling of that obligation. This, knowing that the group primarily assigned custody is women, and the group primarily assigned child support obligation is men.

Another is the unequal treatment of victims of intimate partner and sexual violence depending on the sex of the victim and the sex of the perpetrator. This is another area in which feminists blame "patriarchy," but a look at their own activism shows that with respect to modern treatment of victims, their hands are as dirty as they can get, in both the area of sexual violence, and intimate partner violence. And they're still doing it. Feminist rape apologia is so blatant that they're willing to admit they have no basis for defining the same forced or coerced sex act differently depending on who is the victim and who is the perpetrator. 

The internet feminist answer to being confronted with feminist involvement in causing or exacerbating discriminatory conditions faced by men is to actually claim that despite their own actions, it's still "patriarchy," not feminism, which is the primary and current cause of these issues because   
   
1) NAFALT (explained below), and
2) Lawmakers are mostly men, and they don't have to listen to feminist advocates.
In other words, no matter the lobbying/information on which their decisions are based, all discrimination is male lawmakers' fault (female lawmakers who support feminist efforts don't count) and no responsibility can be placed on feminist groups exercising influence on the process. Or to put it another way, the all-powerful male lawmakers should have known that feminist groups were talking out of their asses, ignored all of the information presented to them, and decided purely based on the innate knowledge that comes from male omnipotence.

NAFALT is a combination of deflection, dodging, and denial that takes expert mental gymnastics to pull off. Address a concept upon which the feminist pro-discrimination lobby is based, using it exactly as feminists have described it, and your approach will be dismissed with "that's not what that concept is." Give references for your usage of the concept, and they'll be dismissed with some version of the "Not All Feminists Are Like That" argument, which boils down to the claim that no matter what the mainstream, heavily funded, established and world-effecting segment of feminism has laid down as feminist ideology on which to base their organized activism, if there's anyone anywhere who calls themselves "feminist" and believes or says differently, that feminist constitutes the new "mainstream," and all other feminism with which she disagrees (at the moment) due to her discomfort at hearing organized feminist pro-discrimination activism criticized is "radical." This argument is used in attempts to deflect responsibility for the effects of organized, established feminist activism to the subjective concept "radicalism." It's used to dodge one's responsibility to counter or accept the assertion that discriminatory conditions men currently face cannot be dismissed, or men's activism co-opted by attributing that discrimination to the ill-defined feminist concept "Patriarchy." It's used to deny the movement's role in the political process by proclaiming anything damaging which organized feminism has done "not feminism."

The NAFALT argument is the lazy feminist's answer to any criticism of any damaging thing ever done by feminist activists. It doesn't actually counter any of those criticisms, but it makes the feminist offering it more comfortable with them. 

Recently, feminists have begun responding to rejection of the NAFALT argument with lame attempts at projection. This method entails equating "prominence within a group" with "political/government establishment" and demanding that men's rights activists "take responsibility" for  men's issues discussion to which feminists take personal or ideological offense, by censoring said "offensive" speech. "If feminism is responsible for feminist-advocated and feminist-lobbied anti-male discriminatory conditions, then you're oppressing me by not condemning other MRAs for saying things I don't like!"

To employ this method, feminists treat speech they dislike as if their dislike defines it as malevolent, and  elevates its impact and that imposed malevolence to the same level as the active feminist lobby for discrimination against men in law, policy, and social response. In other words, the argument is "If you don't accept the claim that feminism is not responsible for the real, demonstrable damage feminist activism has done, then we expect you to let us tell you what you can and can't say on the basis that you're responsible for our emotional response to it. Having in existence statements we don't want to hear is as damaging to us as being falsely imprisoned, having one's victimization by intimate partner or sexual violence condoned by society and the law, being artificially pushed into poverty by the law, and being denied contact with one's children. We just can't tell the difference between an affront to our own fragile and twisted sensibilities, and real, demonstrable oppression."

Pointing out the double standard in that approach varies in effect depending on which feminists are involved in the discussion. Those purporting to be reasonable will often simply abandon the discussion at this point. Vehement opponents of the men's human rights movement, such as the trolls from reddit.com's /r/againsmensrights (certainly not a name that contains bias, right?) subreddit, on the other hand, have actually tried to justify their molehill=mountain and mountain=molehill mentality in two ways. 

The first is by assuming for themselves the right to not be offended and treating that presumed "human right" as if it is as valid and vital as the very real human rights which are violated when one is wrongfully imprisoned, stripped of personal property, separated from one's loved ones, or subjected to tolerance of violent crimes against oneself specifically on the basis of one's sex. In this way, internet feminists exercise a complete abandonment of all sense of proportion and authenticity in order to feel justified in attempting to use criticism of feminism as leveraging support for their effort to cut off nonfeminist or antifeminist speech about men's issues. 

The second is the "lower ground" argument, which employs the social justice concept of "privilege." The "privilege" dialogue uses treatment of perceived disadvantage as an excuse to infer guilt upon anyone not experiencing that disadvantage, and a baseline level of innocence for the disadvantaged. The term is used as a cattle prod in gender and other human issues discussion, allowing Social Justice ideologues to claim it's justified to treat existing conditions differently based on the "averaging" factor of privilege. Injustices against privileged people become justified; Injustices against the non-privileged are amplified. This allows the feminist to ignore real, life-effecting conditions in favor of an ideological interpretation of them. "Oh, you're in jail? Well, you're male, so you have Magic Patriarchy Powers™ that cancel out all adversity. Women have it worse just trying to live in public because women are oppressed."

The double standard approach to justifying feminist deflection of responsibility for their own movement's damage to society can also be seen in internet feminists' responses to the last few years' events. In this case, the double standard is in their application of standards of evidence.

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VAWA and stalking

Here's an example of one of the fundamental flaws in the current incarnation of VAWA: broad terms which encompass more than violence in their definitions. In its provisions on stalking, the bill treats upsetting someone as an act of violence... even when it occurs online, with no limit as to how and where this stipulation may apply.

Text from stalking section as listed on LLI, since Congress's THOMAS system doesn't work
(I've made pertinent segments bold for emphasis.)

Sec. 2261A. Stalking

Whoever--

(1) travels in interstate or foreign commerce or is present within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or enters or leaves Indian country, with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, and in the course of, or as a result of, such travel or presence engages in conduct that--

(A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to--

(i) that person;
(ii) an immediate family member (as defined in section 115) of that person; or
(iii) a spouse or intimate partner of that person; or

(B) causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person described in clause (i), (ii), or (iii) of subparagraph (A); or

(2) with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, uses the mail, any interactive computer service or electronic communication service or electronic communication system of interstate commerce, or any other facility of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in a course of conduct that--

(A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of or serious bodily injury to a person described in clause (i), (ii), or (iii) of paragraph (1)(A); or

(B) causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person described in clause (i), (ii), or (iii) of paragraph (1)(A), shall be punished as provided in section 2261(b) of this title.'.

(c) Interstate Violation of Protection Order- Section 2262(a)(2) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting 'is present' after 'Indian Country or'.

Looking up the legal definition of harassment (unwanted, unwelcomed and uninvited behavior that demeans, threatens or offends the victim and results in a hostile environment for the victim) will tell you that to be meet that definition, an individual claiming to be a victim merely has to establish that 1) the accuser objected to the behavior, 2) the accused didn't stop.

U.S. Legal's definition of Intimidation states

Intimidation means to make fearful or to put into fear. Generally, proof of actual fear is not required in order to establish intimidation. It may be inferred from conduct, words, or circumstances reasonably calculated to produce fear.

Because subsection (2) of section 2261A. (stalking) includes when this behavior occurs via electronic communication - specifically any interactive computer service or electronic communication service, the complainant doesn't even have to establish that the accused sought her out. Under this definition, any discussion in any forum under any circumstances would qualify as an environment in which a person engaging in interpersonal communication could be accused of stalking. In fact, screenshots may fall under this category, as well, if the individual whose post is being recorded and posted objects, even if the original posts were publicly visible.

We have seen how lightly and easily the violence against women act has been abused in the past.

Sit back for a moment, and think about this: This text essentially makes any discussion online potential fodder for a legal accusation. Abuse of this section of the law will be easy to commit, and difficult to combat. How do you prove that you didn't intend to offend someone you were arguing with? How do you determine for the court how your opponent should feel about your replies in a debate?

How long do you think it will take for opponents of the MRM to start using this as a tool for stifling debate where gender issues are discussed? Is code orange about to grow some teeth?

For the record

Note to readers visiting from the link in the comment section of Manboobz: You may find this relevant.

I've been noticing it for a while... talking about it for a while, and replying as best I can when it happens; an influx of feminist posters, commenters, and voters in reddit's /r/mensrights. I've seen that other MRAs have started to notice it, too, so I decided to do a search in the sub using the word feminist, and highlight some of the posts which either were troll posts, or included a lot of feminist trolling.

Read: that means if your post is included in this list, that doesn't necessarily mean I think you are a troll. Before anyone gets hurt feelings, look through not just the post itself, but the comments underneath, or look through the list to see if your post (or the comment response) is part of a pattern I'm noting. I've tagged some posts to make it easier to see, but I don't have time to go through and tag everything.   
There are several, including (but not limited to)

• "Feminism is your friend. You just don't understand." (Can't we all just get along?)
• "Not All Feminists Are Like That" (NAFALT)
• Tone policing, including "don't criticize feminism," "you sound whiny," "you sound misogynistic," etc.
• "You're not good enough" (You're not doing anything. You're not helping group X. You're not talking about topic Y.)
• Attempts to sneak feminist rhetoric into the sub
• Divide and Conquer - attempts to create animosity or other conflict between /r/mensrights and other groups, or deny that the men's rights movement includes groups that are included in the movement (like gay men's rights, or trans rights.)
• Fishing - posting something inflammatory or carefully worded to create an emotional response in order to facilitate quote mining.

   
That also means that if there's a lot of feminist support in the comments, that doesn't necessarily mean I don't think the post is a troll post, either - it may well be. Rather than placing a label, I'm simply tracking patterns.  
  
This post is not intended to call any specific redditor out (though if I have someone tagged as SRS or AMR, that's not getting removed from your name when I post it here.) Nor is it complete. There are posts I remember responding to in the past that I did not find using this method, so this entry will be periodically updated as I am able to go back and find those, as well. I have seen 2 to 4 a month up until the last few weeks, when there has been a dramatic increase, as far as I can tell.  
   
If you see posts you think belong here, PM me on reddit or leave a comment here, and I'll update. 

*note - I've recently added links to several self-posts which are all variations on asking if the MRM supports gay rights, or claiming it doesn't and asking why. If you see your post here, it doesn't mean I'm calling your post a troll post. It is simply that we're seeing the same self-posts over and over on this topic, with small variation, and that's a pattern.


Why is feminism discussed so much on this subreddit? (self.MensRights)
submitted 30 Apr 2014 by futfootballer  /u/AMRthroaway linked to AMR


i don't understand (self.MensRights)

submitted 21 Apr 2014* by aerxo17

So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised. (self.MensRights)
submitted 19 Apr 2014 by William_Red
/r/againstmensrights vote manipulation used to boost feminist-friendly comments to top of thread

An example of feminism done right. (self.MensRights)
submitted 17 Apr 2014 by Broken_Castle 

Are men's rights in the US really being impinged upon? How? (self.MensRights)
submitted 17 Apr 2014 by MyUnpopularThoughts

Working for mens rights is wrong. Read before you down vote. (self.MensRights)

submitted 12 Apr 2014 by Zacky007

Do any MRAs acknowledge that men have systemic privilege over women? (self.MensRights)

submitted 12 Apr 2014 by DemonicHeartYeah, no.
Privilege as a cattle prod

Gay MRAs? (self.MensRights)

(51|29) submitted 11 Apr 2014 by dullboy9000

Serious question: why is the Mens Rights Movement so opposed to feminism? (self.MensRights)

(92|28) submitted 08 Apr 2014 by adevil

Another gay-man questioning the Men's Rights Movement, I ask, what should clinch it for me? (self.MensRights)

(8|6) submitted 08 Apr 2014* by SemperFlea

I'm getting real tired of the tone in the MR subreddit. (self.MensRights)

(91|74) submitted 08 Apr 2014 by TastyRemnent

(serious question) How many of you guys have resentment towards women? (self.MensRights)

(10|15) submitted 07 Apr 2014* by PoetryMuse

(Visits MR subreddit, totally misses the fact that many MRAs ARE women)

Why is it that /r/mensrights is a controversial subreddit, but /r/feminism is not. (self.MensRights)

(51|21) submitted 07 Apr 2014 by OttersAreSuperCool

As a queer boy, can i be a MRA? (self.MensRights)

submitted 06 Apr 2014 by Kuramo

Am I being trolled, or does this "feminist not welcome in /MensRights/" really exist? (np.reddit.com)

submitted 03 Apr 2014 by jcoe-in which wreckedsomething admits, in a roundabout way, to regularly violating reddit's rules on vote-manipulation.
This comment amounts to the claim that linking to a comment in a thread equals vote brigading, 

It also comes from someone who regularly links to /r/mensrights.
Now, one can reasonably argue that linking to a comment does not constitute brigading, especially when the link is an np (nonparticipation) link. However, one can't so reasonably argue that one who says that linking to a comment is done for the purpose of brigading is innocent of attempting to brigade when linking to a comment.

What does being a male rights activist mean to you? (self.MensRights)

submitted 26 Mar 2014 by appleeyed

Everyone knows that feminism/men's rights has nothing to do with sex, right? (self.MensRights)

(3|8) submitted 26 Mar 2014 by Prankster_Bob

So what do you guys represent exactly? (self.MensRights)

submitted 26 Mar 2014 * by OMoraine

NAFALT..... It Has Its Reasons (self.MensRights)

submitted  26 Mar 2014 by rocelot7

Serious question--what is r/mensrights stance on feminism? I truly am confused, and want to try to understand a little better. (self.MensRights)

submitted  21 Mar 2014 by nonhiphipster

Discussion. Men's Rights Activists are misunderstood, all Feminists are evil. (self.MensRights)

submitted  16 Mar 2014 by Mohaan

Do MRAs have a victim mentality? (self.MensRights)

(43|32) submitted 16 Mar 2014 by Mouon

About the feminism posts.. (self.MensRights)

submitted 08 Mar 2014 by Winter_of_Discontent

Is there a term for someone who advocates equal gender rights? (self.MensRights)

(7|5) submitted 18 Feb 2014 by murtaza64

Honey Badger Radio: Mary Koss and the American Rape Machine (self.MensRights)

submitted 13 Feb 2014 by typhonblue 
Brigaded

This subreddit's made me paranoid. (self.MensRights)

(40|14) submitted 13 Feb 2014 by RelentlesslyDead

Not calling this a troll post by any means, but part of a pattern. I have noticed that periodically, there's a post like this with a lot of replies from names I don't see a lot in the sub.

Xpost - As a trans woman, I feel like I am not welcomed in most communities, but especially in the Men's Rights Movement. I would think MRAs would be the strongest supporters of trans* issues, but they aren't. Why is this? (self.MensRights)

(50|37) submitted 13 Feb 2014 by XisanXbeforeitsakiss
This is not a troll post, but it links to a post that goes along with a pattern I've seen with young accounts claiming to have visited /r/mensrights, read unspecified posts, and come to the conclusion that the sub and sometimes the movement is anti-some factor, usually something it's politically incorrect to oppose or criticize. When called the anti-factor claim, they offer replies that boil down to "you disagreed with something I or someone else said that I or they linked to (whatever the factor was) and therefore you're anti-(that factor.) Following an original post along the lines of "I had subjective experience X as a factor-1 person, therefore conclusion," MRAs may argue that the experience is subjective, that factor-1 doesn't make the experience applicable to everyone, or that the conclusion is based on some other flawed thinking. That is cited by anyone supporting the poster's stated conclusion as an indication that the sub is anti-factor-1, not because it's an indication of such, but because that's easier to do than make arguments supporting the conclusion. I've seen being gay or female as the factor a lot, but the trend lately seems to be using "I'm transgender" instead.

Do me a favor, guys? (self.MensRights)

submitted  11 Feb 2014 by lolbye2

Don't get me wrong... (self.MensRights)

(1|8) submitted  11 Feb 2014 by jcoe

Really stupid question: can someone explain to me, in layman's terms, why antifeminism isn't sexist and how antifeminists can still be for equality? (self.MensRights)

submitted  06 Feb 2014 by throwaway41823

As an MRA, this pretty much sums up how I feel! :) (leftycartoons.com)

 submitted 05 Feb 2014 by lolbye1

Open question to MRAs: Why do you oppose feminism? (self.MensRights)

submitted  31 Jan 2014 by Vladith

Question: A thought about this subreddit (self.MensRights)

submitted  23 Jan 2014 by smariroach

Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis) (imgur.com)

 submitted  21 Jan 2014 by Dexter77
Brigaded

What (if anything) is wrong with infant circumcision? (blog.oup.com)

submitted  16 Jan 2014 by [gutless snot who deleted their account almost immediately]

Many feminisms vs. many MRMs (self.MensRights)

submitted  13 Jan 2014* by guywithaccount

[Serious Question] Is this movement polluted with misogyny, or are the extremists just sticking out? (self.MensRights)

submitted  11 Jan 2014 by transsisterradio

What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge? (self.MensRights)

submitted  05 Jan 2014 by gblr

My biggest problem with this sub (self.MensRights)

submitted 29 Dec 2013 by Apemazzle

I have an intersectional question for you guys. (self.MensRights)

submitted 29 Dec 2013 ago by slu-g

Just a little confused about the whole men's rights thing. Are any of you interested in helping women gain equal rights as well, or is this strictly a men thing? Someone please educate me. (self.MensRights)

submitted 23 Dec 13 by stillissitting

A letter to the men's rights movement (dearnonacepeople.tumblr.com)

 submitted 23 Dec 13 ago by ezra811

A trans woman's question for MensRights (self.MensRights)

submitted 19 Dec 13* by summersanne
The short version: "I'm a trans-woman who entered life as a woman carrying a belief in the concept of male privilege, and have interpreted all of my experiences as confirmation of it. Since I'm trans, you now have to believe in male privilege."

Bonus: Brigaded by /r/againstmensrights.

All of you are setting yourselves back. (self.MensRights)

submitted 18 Dec 13 by [deleted]

(OP didn't even stick around for a day.)

Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why. (self.MensRights)

submitted 17 Dec 13 by sillymod
Vote and comment brigaded by SRS, AMR, and SRD
Also, I was able to get an interesting result by engaging AMR trolls in discussion under the post.

Transmen & MRM (self.MensRights)

submitted 16 Dec 2013 by infinette

Why Men's Rights? (self.MensRights)

submitted 13 Dec 2013  by relaxandenjoy

Is feminism really that bad? (self.MensRights)

submitted 13 Dec 2013 by NickAckerman

What do you think about street harassment? Do women have a right to be upset about it? (self.MensRights)

submitted 12 Dec 2013 ago by buddyloveshispie

Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism? (self.MensRights)

submitted 12 Dec 2013 by hambeast24
"Talking about men's issues is whining. Disagreeing with me that talking about men's issues is whining makes you a feminist."

Thoughts about "Gender is a social construct" (self.MensRights)

submitted 09 Dec 2013 by justcallmeaddie

This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay. (imgur.com)

 submitted 04 Dec 2013 by chris3992m

[Question] If feminists are the ones in power, why are such a huge majority of people in congress and in administrative positions men? (self.MensRights)

(4|6) submitted  02 Dec 2013 by deathbutton1

How can we find common ground? (self.MensRights)

(39|10) submitted 02 Dec 2013 * by FractalDude

HS teacher here, grading a student's paper on Rape Culture. (self.MensRights)

submitted  29 Nov 2013 by 11thGRADEteacher

Was I wrong about r/MensRights? Help me out. (self.MensRights)

submitted 27 Nov 2013* by WheyDaBusAt

Overall, do you think MRA is a force for good in the world right now? (self.MensRights)

submitted  26 Nov 2013 by Titsout4theboiz

Has there been a discussion on here about MRAs, red pill swallowers, misogyny, and the lines between? (self.MensRights)

(6|11) submitted 23 Nov 2013 by IjustcametosayAnyang
Divide and Conquer

Do most Men's Rights activists support The Red Pill? (self.MensRights)

submitted  21 Nov 2013 by Horrorbuff2
Divide and Conquer

Why men's rights and feminism are essentially the same thing in my opinion. (self.MensRights)

submitted 19 Nov 2013* by deathbutton1

Hey guys/gals... (self.MensRights)

submitted 19 Nov 2013 ago by zwirlo
 

Do you want me? (self.MensRights)

submitted  17 Nov 2013* by a_personification

Why Men's Rights doesn't make sense (self.MensRights)

submitted 15 Nov 2013* by Ultraoctopus

Can I be a Feminist and an MRA? (self.MensRights)

submitted 04 Nov 2013* by macnalley

Confused about the perception of Men's Rights (self.MensRights)

submitted 04 Nov 2013 by perfectdesignNot a troll post, but the post itself was trolled in the comments.

Guys, there is a big problem with this sub. (self.MensRights)

submitted 22 Oct 2013 by nocbl2

A FtM transgender perspective on the change in privilege (feministhivemind.com)

submitted  17 Oct 2013 by Smallpaul

I am a queer man. Explain how Men's rights actually help me in any way (self.MensRights)

submitted 10 Oct 2013 by thighproblem

A call to Mens Rights. (Probably done by those who "cry wolf", but please pay attention) (self.MensRights)

submitted 04 Oct 2013* by NeonPiggy

Dear MRA (self.MensRights)

submitted 2 Oct 2013 * by ZerowithanH

What do you think about the misogyny in GTA 5? (self.MensRights)

(2|3) submitted 1 Oct 2013 by hhoburg

Something to Keep in Mind (self.MensRights)

submitted 01 Oct 2013 ago by boradin

Not All MRAs Are Like That (self.MensRights)

(109|30) submitted 30 Sep 2013 by onetenth

"Why Men Need Feminism Too" - This lens of feminism seemed to align with the Men's Rights movement more than most I've seen. Thoughts? (everydayfeminism.com)

(11|9) submitted  27 Sep 2013 by WheyDaBusAt

So is this sub reddit about equality or superiority? Serious question. (self.MensRights)

(8|10) submitted 26 Sep 2013 by Mishap89

Not just a straight white male's movement (self.MensRights)

submitted  19 Sep 2013 by Anonaux

Has the time come for us to stop being anti-feminist? (self.MensRights)

submitted 19 Sept 2013 by seego79

Men's rights looks like an anti-feminist group only. Have to dig to get the "rights" part. Warning: long (self.MensRights)

submitted 17 Sept 2013* by stageflight

How do you feel about r/TheRedPill? How does a man reach that mentality? (self.MensRights)

submitted on 14 Sep 2013 by __banana

I'm not ready to say "pattern" after just 2 "let's associate MR with TRP posts, but still...
Divide and Conquer

Hello r/mensrights (self.MensRights)

submitted 02 Sep 2013 by didosrevenge

Hi. People on this site seem to talk about feminists a lot, but..
submitted on 23 Aug 2013 by Kate150

Is there a place in MensRights for me? (self.MensRights)

submitted 22 Aug 2013 by PinkiePo

A little confusion maybe you can clear up? (self.MensRights)
submitted  11 Aug 2013 by punxpunx54"I've seen the term "red pill" thrown around here. Does this refer to the subreddit, or is it referring to the phrase as an alternative to "having my eyes opened"?

What are the general thoughts about the sub TRP and the manhood academy?"

Transmen and transwomen (self.MensRights)

submitted 06 Aug 2013 by recentlyunearthed

I saw this post refuting the bias against men in court. Was wondering what you thought of it. (self.MensRights)

submitted 4 August 2013* by No_Fudge

Infographic: 40% of rapists are female (i.imgur.com)

 submitted submitted on 03 Aug 2013 by Frankly_No

Brigaded.

/r/MensRights - You're being brigaded and you should know about it (self.MensRights)

submitted 01 Aug 2013 by CosmicKeys
This is not a spam or troll post, but instead describes brigading that has happened in relation to discussion on the Anita Sarkeesian videos.

Very fair opinion piece on the MRM (bostonglobe.com)

submitted 31 Jul 2013 by 6aerataob
Tone Policing, Divide and Conquer 

Do men's rights only extend to straight men? (self.MensRights)

submitted 23 Jul 2013 by KGBway

Something I want to get off my chest about things I see in this subreddit and the movement in general (self.MensRights)

submitted 16 Jul 2013 by mrathingy

Is there interest for a subreddit that holds a forum between MensRights and feminist? (self.MensRights)

submitted 08 Jul 2013* by storm181

What keeps MRAs and Feminists from working together? (self.MensRights)

submitted 08 Jul 2013 by tansincosine

I'm pro-gender equality and agree with both certain aspects of mainstream feminism and certain aspects of the mens' rights movement. I really want to see the good parts of both succeed, not fail and continue to clash. (self.MensRights)

submitted  04 Jul 2013 by Feminist_MRA

"What Will We Concede To Feminism": UPDATE (self.MensRights)

submitted  03 Jul 2013 by AlexReynard

[Meta] "Common ground" b/w Feminism/MRM? (self.MensRights)

submitted 15 Jun 2013 by FeloniousAsFuck

I'm a feminist, I like you guys, ask me whatever and see what an intelligent feminist really thinks. (self.MensRights)

(98|59) submitted 12 Jun 2013 by hall31605

What kind of bullshit is this? (i.imgur.com)

 submitted 09 June 2013 by Down-n-Dirty

 Brigaded, Tone Policing

What is the most mainstream/moderate MRA website? (self.MensRights)

submitted 8 June 2013 by HappyGerbil88
Tone Policing: Attempts to use term "Misogynistic" in describing men's rights blogs to poison MRAs against outspoken Men's rights bloggers. 

Dear the Mens Rights Movement, (self.MensRights)

(103|41) submitted 31 May 2013 by Little_maroon_alien

Are you a men's right's activist and a feminist? - poll (wepolls.com)

submitted 31 May 2013 by MrScolex

Please hear me out.. (self.MensRights)

submitted 29 May 2013* by indigotrip

Feminist here- Let me explain some things a few of you have misinterpreted. (self.MensRights)

(15|20) submitted 29 May 2013* by bubbleearth

I really enjoy Anita Sarkeesians BS rant on the "Male power complex" in gaming as a whole (feministfrequency.com)

submitted  28 May 2013  the_shakeweight

It would be funny seeing this Us/Them warefare between disingenuous versions of "Feminism" and "Men's Rights" if its implications didn't seem so tragic. (self.MensRights)

(11|8) submitted  28 May 2013 by MaunderingMoose

Men's Issues are Misogyny and Patriarchy (isnerdy.tumblr.com)

 submitted 21 May 2013 by Camerinthus

MRAs: Do you care about women's rights? (self.MensRights)

(7|3) submitted 16 May 2013 by turiyag

A new take on the old Violinist Thought Experiment (self.MensRights)

submitted 14 May 2013* by ddxxdd
Brigaded 

To all MRA: Not all women are against men's rights. I am on your side. (self.MensRights)

submitted 06 May 2013 by mramrs

Technically shouldn't Men's Rights advocates just be Feminists? (self.MensRights)

submitted 06 May 2013 by mehjbmeh

What do you guys think of transgenders? (self.MensRights)

submitted 04 May 2013 by Notafemalethrowaway

An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you? (self.MensRights)

submitted 03 May 2013 by videoninja

From an avid men's rights advocate, a few observations on this subreddit. (self.MensRights)

submitted 02 May 2013* by fecal_encephalopathy
Tone Policing, NAFALT

So, I identify as an MRA and a feminist. I received this flak in the feminism subreddit for daring to voice that feminism is imperfect. (self.MensRights)

submitted  02 May 2013 by HalfysReddit

From r/feminism - Fuck you battered men, we don't want your problems here (self.MensRights)

submitted 30 Apr 2013* by DaNiceguy

Heavily Brigaded.

Trauma, and why it's relevant to common grievances aired on this sub (self.MensRights)

submitted 29 Apr 2013* by royzin

What do MRAs think of Women's rights? (self.MensRights)

submitted 29 Apr 2013 by lost-and-confused-

Why do people not take men's rights seriously? (self.MensRights)

submitted  29 Apr 2013 by GanbatteSisyphus

The Reason I'm unsubscribing from r/MensRights (self.MensRights)

submitted 26 Apr 2013 * by Tsaxmafia

More People should Know This (i.imgur.com)

   submitted  22 Apr 2013 cypherdtraitor
NAFALT, but guys, it's a graphic so believe it! 
 

Is the Men's movement a waste of time (self.MensRights)

submitted 20 Apr 2013 by Typicaledgyname
Day old account, depressing message, maybe not a troll, but it sure looks like one.

A question about circumcision (self.MensRights)

(2|5) submitted 19 Apr 2013 by ga13be

Question About /r/Mensrights's Beliefs (self.MensRights)

submitted 19 Apr 2013 by mattblau

This is how we should act towards one another at all times. I hate posts that suggest anything different. (reddit.com)

submitted 18 Apr 2013 by DerFisher
(Originally linked from /r/mensrights. Post removed by OP, who didn't like responses to it.)

It took me all day to formulate the words I've been looking for to describe MRA effectively. (self.MensRights)

(7|5) submitted  18 Apr 2013 by GregoryPanic
Not a troll or brigade - just shows that there are MRAs who do not know everything feminism has done.

Female professor tries to ruin man's academic career over ONE overheard f-bomb. FIRE saves his life and checks her privilege. (boingboing.net)

submitted 13 Apr 2013 by Kingle0nidas
Brigaded.

Paul Elam should take down register-her.com (self.MensRights)

submitted 12 Apr 2013 by memymineown
OP is longstanding MRA, but post invaded by trolls due to subject matter.

Is Feminism misunderstood by the MRM, and vice versa? (self.MensRights)

(3|4) submitted  07 Apr 2013 * by NEET_Here

Men's Rights necessarily always opposed to feminist principles? (self.MensRights)

submitted 04 Apr 2013 by feminazi_ftw

This sub spends too much time complaining about feminism and not enough time pushing forward men's rights and changes in the treatment of men. (self.MensRights)

submitted 31 Mar 2013* by vaselinepete

Is gay rights a worthy cause to join forces with Feminists and end this ridiculousness across the country? (self.MensRights)

submitted on 27 Mar 2013 by nobodysothername
(wonder why a sub where gay rights does get discussed keeps getting asked if gay rights are part of the discussion?)

Gay rights are men's rights. (self.MensRights)

submitted 27 Mar 2013* by WikipediaBrown

Guys, women aren't your enemy. The patriarchy is. (self.MensRights)

submitted on 25 Mar 2013* by yourblacksister

Why is the men's rights movement treated like a joke? (self.MensRights)

(23|24) submitted on 19 Mar 2013 by nutflushdraw
This one is pretty ridiculous, apparently posted just to give SRSers a place to circlejerk in the sub. Regularly posting MRAs are downvoted into hiding, while the top voted comment is a blatantly feminist viewpoint not actually related to the sub or the movement. Not even sure what kind of an effect they thought this effort would achieve.

Is there a middle ground? (self.MensRights)

submitted 17 Mar 2013 by sherylintexas

It's time this movement did a little cleanup. (self.MensRights)

submitted 15 Mar 2013 by HalfysReddit

A friendly reminder. (self.MensRights)

(93|46) submitted on 01 Mar 2013* by smallsmerry01

Antifeminism, men's rights, and equality (self.MensRights)

submitted 24 Feb 2013 by NemosHero

r/MensRights: why aren't we working together? (self.MensRights)

submitted  18 Feb 2013 by bravestlittletoaster

This is in the counseling center at my high school. I'm glad to see this moving into more learning environments. (i.imgur.com)

 (690|143)submitted 13 Feb 2013 by icamefromtumblr

Found in r/facebookwins thought it more appropriate here. (i.imgur.com)

  (656|133) submitted 13 Feb 2013 by SUPERSMILEYMAN
Fishing
This is not an MR regular. The wording of the post itself is rather fake - it's like a parody of "women behaving badly" posts, intended to set off comments. I think this one is trolling with intent to inspire speech which can be labeled "hate speech."

Apparently men can't have a gym and ribs night at university without it being undone by feminists and white knights. (facebook.com)

(128|21) submitted 13 Feb 2013 by gingerninjer2

I very strongly suspect this of being designed to get people's facebook profile information.

Should anti-feminist material be posted in this subreddit? (self.MensRights)

(3|1) submitted  12 Feb 2013  by ElfmanLV

Can we make a "No Facebook screenshots" rule around here? (self.MensRights)

(46|19) submitted 11 Feb 2013 by eosri1

Urgent Help Needed: My Wife had my 10-year-old son circumcised and threw me out of the house (self.MensRights)

(327|94) submitted  09 Feb 2013 by MercedezBento

Why I worship women (self.MensRights)

(3|8) submitted on 08 Feb 2013 by goddessworshipper

MensRights as a subreddit (self.MensRights)

(3|0) submitted  06 Feb 2013 by kwyjibo1230

I have a question of semantics that shouldn't matter, but does to a lot of people... (self.MensRights)

submitted  06 Feb 2013 by somethingofdoom

Can we please stop using the word "Feminist" in relation to "Women who want special privileges for being a woman" (self.MensRights)

(9|13) submitted 06 Feb 2013 by XWindX

Something that made me rethink feminists (No big victory, but it ends well for me...) (self.MensRights)

(13|0) submitted 06 Feb 2013 by They_Killed_Kenny

MRA and Feminism, we shouldn't be enemies we should be partners (self.MensRights)

(12|10) submitted  03 Feb 2013 by occupythekitchen

Is there a site which focuses on men's issues but is friendly toward feminism? (self.MensRights)

(28|17) submitted 02 Feb 2013 by viganhe005

Why I'm leaving this subreddit. (self.MensRights)

(87|65)  01 Feb 2013 ago by ezra_epwell

This needs to stop. Now...again (np.reddit.com)

submitted 26 Jan 2013 by T-rex_with_a_gun

I'm getting really sick of this shit (rant) (self.MensRights)

submitted  25 Jan 2013 ago by ExiledSenpai

I believe this is somewhat related to this sub, especially with the excessive pollution of modern new age tumblr feminism. (i.imgur.com)

 submitted  24 Jan 2013 by FEMANON_HERE

Feminist brigaded

Very impressed with so many woman accepting it's fair for them to be eligible for the draft "With women now allowed in combat roles, should they be required to sign up for the selective service as well?" xpost from askreddit (reddit.com)

this post was submitted on 24 Jan 2013 by macman156

NAFALTing in comments

[SUGGESTION ]War is not anti "male privilege" (self.MensRights)

(1|4) submitted 23 Jan 2013 by Jaguscoth

A CONSTRUCTIVE Observation about MRA as Ideology (self.MensRights)

(3|1) submitted 23 Jan 2013* by Buckmop

A myth is a myth is a myth... unless there's a political group dedicated to ignoring it. Then the methods by which it was created continue to be employed, and eventually get picked up by the CDC. (self.MensRights)

(89)|(24) submitted 18 Jan 2013* by oneiorosgrip

Brigaded

As a woman, is /r/MensRights concerned with gender equality, or just fixing male-oriented problems in society? (self.MensRights)

(1|0) submitted  22 Jan 2013 by whitecheddarnomcormz

Is the wage gap not true? (self.MensRights)

(22|3) submitted 22 Jan 2013 by Xc2U

Hey r/MensRights! I agree with a lot of what you guys say, but I have one question (self.MensRights)

(28)|(13) submitted 22 Jan 2013* by scrollbackup

My opinion on some of the content in /r/mensrights (self.MensRights)

(18|3) submitted 20 Jan 2013* by Shrub_Ninja

Is there space for Gay men in MensRights? (self.MensRights)

submitted 20 Jan 2013* by gayrebel

I wanted to hear about what you guys think about using the word "egalitarianism". (self.MensRights)

(3|1) submitted 13 Jan 2013 by anhero23

I'm actually offended and ashamed that you're eating this shit. (i.imgur.com)

(539|179) submitted 13 Jan 2013 by dinky_hawker

This thread is a response to the one listed below, contains vote brigading and a shitload of feminist apologists.

A message for us all, xposted from /r/feminism (i.imgur.com)

(1957|689) submitted  12 Jan 2013 by DougDante This thread contains vote brigading and feminist apologists.

What happened to this subreddit? (self.MensRights)

(4|2) submitted 12 Jan 2013 by SpaghettiLeftovers

Honest Question: Why do you folks not believe that we live in a patriarchy? (self.MensRights)

(34|33) submitted 10 Jan 2013 by DebbieKilljoyDowner

Is it possible to be a Feminist AND a MRA? (self.MensRights)

(5|3) submitted  10 Jan 2013 by morty369

      (Why can't we all just get along?)   (Again)

We Can Do It! (i.imgur.com)

 submitted  09 Jan 2013 by kelloo

Post highlights the fraud behind Rosie the riveter poster. Issue is obvious - Rosie wasn't up to "equal work."
Immediately garnered "this is not a men's rights issue" and a brigade.

An appeal: Please stop posting the Kanin study ("42% of rape accusations are false") (self.MensRights)

(11|8) submitted  09 Jan 2013 by arrace415

Essentially, "I'm a feminist... please stop posting the Kanin study. I believe it's invalid because it used methodology similar to that used by feminists (small sample size), because Kanin was ethical, because it's based on women admitting that they lied, because polygraphs were used. The bottom line - (aside from the polygraph bit, which I can buy, but which doesn't carry the argument by itself) still the same old feminist crap about considering a rape accusation true if it isn't proved false, or guilty until proven innocent. Further, arrace415 asserts that a rape report is not an accusation, and that the accused isn't harmed by the report - a statement that assumes that every false report never gets past the paper stage, as if the accuser never says anything outside of the report itself. This completely ignores the effects caused by leveling such a serious charge. Conclusion: Troll trying to stop a useful argument from being circulated.

Thread with legit question gets brigaded by feminists through SRD

I need some clarification. I've recently been apart of some drama in Askwomen and SRD. I was accused of being creepy, but was I? (self.MensRights)

 submitted  09 Jan 2013 by HeyFunkyPianist
 

New rape prevention campaign in vancouver drops sexual assault by 10% (freethoughtblogs.com)

submitted  09 Jan 2013 by NVDNVDNV

What is this sub's general consensus regarding Paul Elam? (self.MensRights)

(4|2) submitted 07 Jan 2013 by vanillabean2492
(Divide and conquer)

Petition by Avaaz to get the Indian government to change sexual assault laws and prevent rapes like the infamous one in Dehli last month. (avaaz.org)

(7|5) submitted  04 Jan 2013 by TomBurlinson

Women out-earn men in pharmacy, Earth sciences, and computer science. And they still don't think female privilege exists? (abc.net.au)

(180|70) submitted 03 Jan 2013 by arrogantfootball
Brigaded

What's your opinion on biological determinism explaining some aspects of the social phenomena feminists protest? (self.MensRights)

(5|1) submitted  03 Jan 2013 by Qhost

VAWA (self.MensRights)

(4|1) submitted  03 Jan 2013 by HoopyFreud

What have we become? (self.MensRights)

(3|8) submitted  03 Jan 2013* by SamuelRAnger

Just as a note: Paternal Rights is a Feminist project. (self.MensRights)

(7|7) submitted  03 Jan 2013 by Scout_1029

Question to you MRAs on rape (self.MensRights)

(1|15) submitted 03 Jan 2013 by EuroSoc

(Fishing post)

"Male Privilege"; what does it mean to you and why does this sub hate the phrase so much? (self.MensRights)

(7|12) submitted 03 Jan 2013 by DJ_Fleetwood_MacBook

NAFALT and the Out-Group Homogeneity Effect (self.MensRights)

(3|4) submitted  02 Jan 2013 by mordicaii

Does the Men's Rights movement support gay rights? (self.MensRights)

submitted 02 Jan 2013 by Fisto27
Why is there a double standard in r/MensRights when it comes to generalization of feminists? (self.MensRights)

(1|2) submitted 02 Jan 2013 by curlymeatball38

As a feminist, thank you r/MensRights. (self.MensRights)

(106|49) submitted 01 Jan 2013* by HereToHumilateAFrand

 ... And I pay for condoms, will feminism buy me those? (i.imgur.com)

submitted 01 Jan 2013 by thefran

 - heavily concern trolled by feminists  

Can We Try To Focus on Men's Rights, not "I Hate Feminists!" jokes? (self.MensRights)
(1649|610) submitted 30 Dec 2012* by absolutekraze

Mens Rights and Feminism on Egalitarianism (self.MensRights) 

(25|11) submitted 29 Dec 2012* by Fisto27

[QUESTION] "Modern" feminism? (self.MensRights) 

(15|12) submitted 27 Dec 2012 by JaguscothSRS


7 Tactics Used by Academic Feminists To Suppress Information (self.MensRights)

(624|169) submitted 26 Dec 2012* by actanonverba8 

Brigaded

Why Feminism will always be the enemy (self.MensRights)(90|74) submitted 26 Dec 2012* by DavidByron
(comment section)Where Girlwriteswhat gets downvote brigaded by /r/againstmensrights for asserting that effective birth control is better than ineffective birth control

Crucial Question about Men's Rights. Leave your opinion. (self.MensRights) 

(83|27) submitted  25 Dec 2012 by pastel-forest 

Christmas rape song? (self.MensRights) 

(17|14) submitted  25 Dec 2012 by prettylittledaggers 

Something i think we all should read because i feel this means that our two groups are able able to reach a common ground.(MRAs and Feminists) Xpost to /r/Feminism (chicagonow.com)
(256|72) submitted  25 Dec 2012 by Inbefore121

Men's Rights vs. Feminism vs. Egalitarianism (self.MensRights)

(58|23)  24 Dec 2012 by meetinmontauk  

If a new law is able to prosecute 50 actual rapists, but falsely imprisons 1, would you support it? (self.MensRights) 

(17|14) submitted 24 Dec 2012* by DJ_Fleetwood_MacBook

what do you look for in a partner? (self.MensRights)

(8|4) submitted 22 Dec 2012* by hentaipolice 

I'm perpetually baffled by this subreddit. Could someone explain to me why I never see any of the things constantly talked about here? (self.MensRights) 

(41|38) submitted 20 Dec 2012 by jawndisease

What is one facet of feminism each of you agrees with? (self.MensRights) 

(40|28) submitted 15 Dec 2012* by ArchangelleFascist

A little bothered by all the hypocrisy around here. (self.MensRights)

(11|18) submitted 14 Dec 2012* by pretzelzetzel

 Anyone else sick of this yet? (self.MensRights)

(26|22)submitted 14 Dec 2012 by Jernlov

I'm both a feminist and a MRA. (self.MensRights)
(111|68) submitted 11 Dec 2012* by TheCameraLady

A question from an outsider. (self.MensRights)
(20|16) submitted 11 Dec 2012 by carpetpowder

Gays in the MRM (self.MensRights)

submitted 9 Dec 2012* by whataboutthegays

Why do we have Men's Rights and Feminist Groups? Why not Gender Equality groups? (self.MensRights (8|11) submitted  04 Dec 2012 by Skwalin 

A discussion on the word feminism. (self.MensRights)

(5|5) submitted  04 Dec 2012 by ottawadeveloper 

Why do we have Men's Rights and Feminist Groups? Why not Gender Equality groups? (self.MensRights

 (7|10) submitted 04 Dec 2012 by Skwalin 

After just finding this sub a few days ago, I have some things I feel that I need to say, and would really love all your feedback. (self.MensRights)

(8|10) submitted  03 Dec 2012 by duck97 

A motion to make gay issues a bigger part of the mens' rights movement (self.MensRights)

submitted 02 Dec 2012 by JizzCreek

Well this is new. A feminist forum bringing awareness of men's rights issues, but still calling it feminism.(i.imgur.com)

(301|52) submitted  02 Dec 2012 by idontgiveitout

Not a troll post, but feminists converged on it to try to out-shout MRAs.

I'm a little confused (self.MensRights) 

(32|10) submitted  01 Dec 2012 by Tatshua 

HS teacher here, grading a student's paper on Rape Culture. (self.MensRights)

submitted 28 Nov 2013 by 11thGRADEteacherFishing
I could be wrong, and this could just be a badly concluded paper, but the presentation of it here in this manner makes this post look to me like a quote-mining effort instead of a genuine attempt to get a paper graded, as it would provide a quote-miner with the ability to refer back to it later and twist people's comments into "MRAs support refusing to prosecute anyone accused of acquaintance rape," which will in turn be stretched to mean "MRAs support rape."

What do you people actually believe? (self.MensRights)

(20|21) submitted 19 Nov 2012 by jonahofscott 

Why is Men's Rights so anti-women/anti-feminist? (self.MensRights)

(9|18) submitted  19 Nov 2012 by DerpinaTheThird 

    See also this post

I would consider myself both a feminist and masculinist. I am beginning to have a severe problem with this sub-reddit. (self.MensRights)

(5|12) submitted  16 Nov 2012* by metascorpio 

Why "Men's Rights" and not simply Egalitarianism? (self.MensRights)

(72|26) submitted  12 Nov 2012o* by aPseudonymPho 

Question from a feminist, part 1. (self.MensRights)
(18|11) submitted  04 Nov 2012 by Fundieathiest

(Didn't find anything beyond "part 1.") 

What does Mens Rights do for women, and what makes it different from feminism? (self.MensRights)

(13|13) submitted  04 Nov 2012 by Segaga

Why can't I be a feminist and a MRA? (self.MensRights)

(14|10) submitted  24 Oct 2012 ago by AlexisNicole

Feminist Here with some questions. Not looking to start a fight, but I just want to learn/understand. Long post sorry. (self.MensRights) 

(124|40) submitted  20 Oct 2012* by femquestionthr 

Feminist here with an honest question--before you bite, hear me out... (self.MensRights)

(69|31) submitted  10 Oct 2012* by Thermodynamo 

Men's Rights and Women's Rights are both Human Rights (self.MensRights)

(269|55) submitted 03 Oct 2012 by deerp 

Can you Guys Please Explain to me why you do this? (self.MensRights)

(55|52submitted 23 Sep 2012* by Irishladdie

A misrepresentation of feminists. (self.MensRights)

(8|10) submitted  23 Sep 2012 by MRdaBakkle

A male feminist told me that us MRA's should discuss what we think we should do about the homophobia that is so very prevalent in men. I think he's right. So what do you guys think? (self.MensRights)

(95|42) submitted 21 Sep 2012 by Not_A_Triceratops  SRS

Dear MRAs, as a feminist I am genuinely interested in your oppression. But what good is feminist bashing to your cause? (self.MensRights)
(13|17) submitted  20 Sep 2012* by littlepocketknife

Why all the feminist bashing? 

Is the men's rights movement too focused on being the anti-feminist movement? (self.MensRights)
(114|44) submitted  11 Sep 2012 ago by Sigwein

I think we should stop using the word feminist. (self.MensRights)

(14|15) submitted  10 Sep 2012* by ADevilNamedBen

Do you think Feminists can ever get along with MRA's? (self.MensRights)(16|9) submitted  29 Aug 2012 by Species_0002

Can I be a Men's Rights activist and a Feminist at the same time? (self.MensRights) 

(49|18) submitted 23 Aug 2012 by upboatshoes

serious question: why aren't you feminists? (self.MensRights)

(41|33) submitted 22 Aug 2012 by toptrool

MR, what's your biggest "feminist" belief, or opinion that wouldn't mesh well with other MRA's? (self.MensRights)

(31|15) submitted 16 Aug 2012 by 12431 

I'm an aspiring equity feminist and I have some questions for you. (self.MensRights)(28|27) submitted  02 Aug 2012* by PurpleVNeck

Female with a question about alliance-building around gender equality (self.MensRights)

submitted 01 Aug 2012* by tmesispieces 

Feminism is not misandry (self.MensRights)

(87|57) submitted 11 Jul 2012 by pg402 

I had this impression that Men's Rights and Feminism are working towards the same ideal- am I missing something? (self.MensRights) 

(39|11) submitted 8 Jul 2012* by MrShenanigans

Feminists converged on this post to play victim Olympics over circumcision:  

I said circumcision is equivocal to female genital mutilation in my college class. uh oh. (self.MensRights

 (661|186) submitted 14 Jun 2012* by shmittywerber 

Why don't we call ourselves feminists? (self.MensRights) 

(12|14) submitted 08 Jun 2012 by trombodachi 

I have an honest question. (self.MensRights) 

(50|22) submitted 29 May 2012* by glass_hedgehog  

How do you feel about gay rights, MRAs? (self.MensRights)

submitted  23 May 2012 by secaedelcielo

Not a troll post, but this one has been concern tolled by feminists

Isn't this subreddit getting kind of biased? (self.MensRights)

(13|23) submitted 23 May 2012 by FF15 

A quick word on feminists (self.MensRights)
(35|9) submitted 01 May 2012 by nlakes

 Appeal for more diplomatic feminist labels in discussion.

  

Why are we talking about (radical) feminists? (self.MensRights)(58|21) submitted 14 Apr 2012 by Police_Murdering_Us

Reclaiming the word feminism. (self.MensRights)

(35|37) submitted 11 Apr 2012* by muckette

Do you hate Feminists? (self.MensRights)

(32|17) submitted 01 Apr 2012* by RyanLikesyoface 

Can we PLEASE stop with the hate-speech directed towards Women's Rights activism? (self.MensRights

 (24|29) submitted 31 Mar 2012* by Fluffy_Fsh 

"Evil feminists" vs. "A man's role in society"? (self.MensRights) 

(38|17) submitted 31 Mar 2012* by radiojojo

I'm new to Men's Rights and I am a feminist. Now that we have that out of the way, I want to let you know that I (and I believe most feminists my age) agree with the basic tenets of MRAs, if not the language and attitude of it.

Do you have to be an anti-feminist to be a MRA? (self.MensRights) 

(34|19) submitted 30 Mar 2012 ago by kratistos 

Trans issues are part of men's rights (self.MensRights)

submitted  05 Mar 2012* by TheJumboShrimp 

This subreddit needs to shake off its anti-women reputation for the sake of these issues being taken seriously. (self.MensRights)

(574|233) submitted 04 Mar 2012 by steam-pug 

I wandered in here today and I'm a little hurt. (self.MensRights) 

(34|19) submitted 10 Feb 2012* by newsgentry 

I support complete gender equality, but the attitude towards feminism here is a bit disappointing... (self.MensRights)
(25|27) submitted 05 Jan 2012* by hippiechan

A suggestion for MensRights to maybe help the dialogue. (self.MensRights)
(13|14) submitted  01 Dec 2011 by dangerousbirde 

Feminists for men's rights (self.MensRights)

(13|18) submitted 30 Sep 2011* by feminazibitchyoumad 

So are gay men's rights somehow less important than straight men's rights? (self.MensRights)

submitted 30 Sep 2011 by treybuchet

I have a serious question. (self.MensRights)

(11|11) submitted  09 Sep 2011 * by omniamutantir

Am I allowed to identify as both a Feminist and an MRA? (self.MensRights)
submitted  07 Sep 2011 by twelveovertwo

Common Ground Between MRAs and Feminists (self.MensRights)
(25|19) submitted 04 Sep 2011* by topoi

So, I noticed the "are you a feminist" question in the MensRights side bar - Yes, I am a feminist (self.MensRights) 

(34|24) submitted  13 Aug 2011 by paulfromatlanta 

Something I've been thinking about feminism and gender egalitarianism. I'm here for good discussion, not to attack you. Please give me the same courtesy. (self.MensRights)

(39|34) submitted 07 Aug 2011* by taranov2007 

I'm tired of MensRights and feminism acting like they are at war, so I created a reddit for us all to talk about issues of gender equality. (self.MensRights)(14|20) submitted 31 Jul 2011 by Iankap

What's the deal with /r/MensRights vs /r/Feminisms? (self.MensRights) 

(32|26) submitted  26 Jul 2011 by RogueEagle 

Straight MRAs, how do you feel about gay MRAs who don't always have the same issues that you do? (self.MensRights)
submitted  23 Jun 2011* by Silgrenus

How does mensrights feel about transgendered people, transmen, transwomen, the genderless and so on? (self.MensRights)

submitted 17 Jul 2011 by MuForceShoelace 

 

Don't MRAs and feminists both want gender equality? Where's the big disagreement? (self.MensRights

 (61|38) submitted 03 Jul 2011 by MasCapital SRS 

I have a question? (self.MensRights) 

(13|8) submitted  08 Jun 2011 by plumeria

As a feminist, I have complicated feelings about the "men's rights movement," as you might imagine. (femaletalk.com)

(26|23) submitted  01 Apr 2011 by cracksandwich 

Why does it have to be one or the other? (self.MensRights)
(30|20) submitted  08 Mar 2011 by gerberakasbah

Does r/mensrights realize that the only people standing in the way of mens rights are other men? (self.MensRights)

(22|23) submitted  28 Feb 2011 by rabbaroo

Guys... let's Think before we Link. (self.MensRights)

(332|113) submitted  18 Feb 2011 by iamunstrung

I'm a feminist, I believe in men's rights. (self.MensRights) 

(44|38) submitted  03 Feb 2011* by conn1e

I'm sorry, but I just had to say something. I'm sick of all these threads complaining about 'stupid feminist' and 'feminazis' and whatever other derogatory crap you want to throw at women who believe in equality for them.
I love this forum, it's great, men get kicked around some times too. This should be fought for too. But don't sink to the same low as these women who think they're feminists, but arn't, and slander men.
A true feminist just wants a fair go, she wants to work as hard as you (at WHATEVER, except maybe something like sport that is just genuinely unfair due to anatomy). This includes working when she's got her period, or pregnant. She's not a princess bitching about how men don't kiss her feet.
Don't slander feminists, they're supporting you. We can't be equal if men aren't.
Edit: Um wow. This is exactly what I needed to understand. I was angry because I lacked insight, into men's AND women's rights. I don't have the sheer power to reply to you all but once again, thankyou. I feel a bit emotional. I think I need to do a bit of reflection.
TL;DR, I am equalitarian. :)

Preparing for massive downvotes, but would like to share my opinion (self.MensRights)
(702|412) submitted  14 Jan 2011* by joannchilada

 (NAFALT)

I know many MR readers *really* don't like feminists, but I thought this was an interesting study (self.MensRights)(5|9) submitted 30 Oct 2010* by a_curious_koala

A question from an employee of a "feminist" non-profit (self.MensRights)

(10|3) submitted 21 Aug 2010 by GoingTo

Feminism really the enemy? (self.MensRights) 

(41|28) submitted 30 May 2010 ago by Linnbe

Hey, MensRights! How do you feel about transgender men? (self.MensRights)

submitted 10 Apr 2010* by AHumanThatListens

Are gay rights a men's rights issue or not ? (self.MensRights)

submitted 18 Mar 2010 by Leprecon

I have a question for /MR on female privilege in this society (self.MensRights) 

(27|8) submitted  18 Dec 2009 by gotaquestion